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tilleul · Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2002 3:12 pm Post subject: [SUSPICIOUS SERVICE] Fabadelic

Known e-mails:
fabadelic@lycos.com
admiral_halsey_aj@msn.com

Known address: (unspecified)

Plaintiff: Jamie H, overmarsanelka@yahoo.com

What happened I ordered three CD's in November 2000:the Trader, Mark, didn't receive them from his dealer until New Year.
He informed me that the had been sent in early January via air Mail which takes 7-10 days to reach the UK. Having received nothing by late January I was 'reassured' that they may have been held up by customs. Why????? Customs would hold up an exported package for no more than a Week!
By early March, I discover that FABADELIC had folded and all business transactions would be tied up. Well,asking Mark for replacements or a refund has been met with a resounding wall of silence.So I am mightily disappointed with FABADELIC and Mark.

Tilleul's opinion This case should be an example to those who want to order (i.e buy) bootleg stuff through regular mail ... be very cautious ... you can never be sure that you'll get what you want ... and most of the time, there's no refund and no way to replace discs ... Fabadelic had a good reputation as a link to dealers but it wasn't in any way an official shop...
I have myself ordered bootlegs via internet only once and i'll never do it again. First it took weeks to arrive (and it should have taken only 4-5 days). Second, the dealer had declared each disc as $5 value ... thus leaving to me the taxes to pay and it was expensive because the value was highly underrated.
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paprbkwrtr · Joined: 27 Dec 2002 Posts: 6 Location: Southern US

I had the same dealings with Fabadelic and here's the explanation. Mark, who was running Fabadelic to outsource another suppliers beatlegs got royally screwed by said supplier (Admiral Halsey) out of a lot of money. Fabadelic had to go underground to avoid being found out - as his supplier was being investigated by the RIAA and the FBI. The supplier mentioned in the email addresses (alias of "AJ - Admiral Halsey") has also gone into hiding to avoid his identity being known. Its a simple case of the govt. heat getting too hot and these guys having to close up shop and get out of town. But the two discs I did buy from them (Ram - Mono & Walls & Bridges Revisited) were as described and excellent original issues. So goes the business of boot selling.

Falcon · Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Posts: 6

So paprbkwrtr, why is that id (ie paprbkwrtr@lycos.com) one of the email addresses used by Kevin Garvey (see other thread) and 'Mark', his partner at Fabadelic. As I stated in the other thread, Kevin Garvey and Fabadelic's name crops up an awful lot on various message boards as a bad trader/dealer.
It's strange that the defence comes from someone with a user id which is identical (in spelling as well) to an email address used by Kevin Garvey/Fabadelic/Mark.

paprbkwrtr · Joined: 27 Dec 2002 Posts: 6 Location: Southern US

I use the ID paprbkwrtr because I like the way its spelled so I nicked it from them (that email address at Lycos is no longer active I believe) and it was the very first song I knew was The Beatles and was the song that got me into playing music at the age of 11.

As for Fabadelic Kevin being on a bunch of boards as a bad trader, how long ago were those posted anyway? From what I understand, Fabadelic was a seller not a trader and has been out of business since 2000. The domain name is now owned by someone in the UK.

purely a case of nicking their old spelling and using it. They also used 8daysawk - another unique spelling.

sorry dude...barking up the wrong tree - arf arf

paprbkwrtr · Joined: 27 Dec 2002 Posts: 6 Location: Southern US

to add another note: "Kevin Garvey" was never a real name and "Mark Jenkins" was the alias for the supplier in CA. I emailed "Kevin" one last time after they folded up shop and he told me his real first name. They were much more careful than that to use their real names.

Falcon · Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Posts: 6

'barking up the wrong tree', I don't think so. I don't care what their real names are. I was in contact with 'Mark' via email, and Kevin Garvey was the name of the contact to send the payment to. paprbkwrtr was one of the email addresses used. Sorry don't buy your 'I liked the spelling'. Also whether he/they are classed as a trader or dealer is irrelevant. The fact is they take money/trades from people and do not deliver the goods they promised.

But hey that's just my opinion, here are the facts
1. Kevin Garvey/ Fabadelic have been listed as a bad trader/dealer by several different people on different boards - I saw one on the Beatleg Yahoo group (and/or Beatle-collectors group), and at least one other source I cannot remember now.

2. The defence for their 'activities' has come from someone who uses the same email id [paprbkwrtr] that 'Kevin Garvey'/Fabadelic used.

I just want people to be aware of that, and that I wouldn't trust the word of someone who uses one of the names that they did.

paprbkwrtr · Joined: 27 Dec 2002 Posts: 6 Location: Southern US

well I hate to burst your bubble but you are "barking up the wrong tree" here. I have NOTHING to do with them whatsoever. Believe what you wish but I think you're just looking for a scapegoat and my coincidence of using a name they used because I like the spelling is purely that - coincidence.

And the distinction between seller and trade is relevant. A "seller" takes your money - a "trader" does not. One can go to jail for fraud, the other cannot. There is a difference.

Actually I did a search across boards and newsgroups and couldn't find any recent post on this "Fabadelic" subject of delinquint sales. They're all at least 2 years old! They're obviously long out of business.

Falcon · Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Posts: 6

You're missing the point with just about every point you make.

1. I'm not looking for a scapegoat - I just wanted to point out to people that the defence of 'Kevin Garvey'/Fabadelic was coming from someone using a name which is identical to an email id used by them.
I'll leave it up to others to decide if you are connected to them or not.
As an aside, it's not a 'coincidence' that you use the same name as them - at the very least, you 'nicked' the name from them (by your own admission) so it's not a 'coincidence'.

2. The distinction between a trader and seller may be relevant from a legal point of view, but is irrelevant from the point of view of ripping people off. Whether you take money off people or trades off people, if you don't send them what you agreed to, you are ripping them off.

3. There are no recent posts about Fabadelic's dubious dealings - oh, apart from this thread of course.

One last point, paprbkwrtr - going back to your original post, how come you know so much about the 'problems' that Fabadelic had?
No-one else who has complained about them got an explanation of what 'went wrong'. Despite sending several emails when the stuff I ordered didn't show, I got no response from them. Funnily enough, when I posted a complaint about them on a message board, I got a response! No apology, or explanation of why I didn't get my stuff, just a challenge to prove what I was saying.
So, the fact that you know what went on indicates to me that you are/were connected with them.

Again I'll leave it up to others to make up their own mind.

I think I've made my point now, so I won't bother to post anything further on this.

Jason Parker · Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2003 2:36 am Post subject:

I emailed Tilluel with the real address of this Fabadelic Jerk, and Tilluel replied, indicating he received the message.

The address would have been of help to those ripped off by Fabadelic - two years ago when I sent Tilluel his actual address.

However Mr. Tillueuleelle never posted Fabadelic's address on snootlegzone.

So, what we read here is basically "ancient" history at this point. There are many other online dealers, all of whom are reliable, from personal experience.

I recently did a half-hour search from "scratch", for online dealers and came up with three new ones I'd never before heard of. Do your homework, people. If you are interested in actually buying, that is.
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songsmith664 · Joined: 06 Jul 2004 Posts: 4 Location: The Beat Room

Just cruising the forums and saw this thread war here about Fabadelic and Kevin Garvey. I have some inside information for the two thread posters. "Kevin Garvey" was never a real name. It was an alias. That name was chosen as an alias as it was someone they went to school with. Fabadelic / Kevin / Admiral Halsey never intentionally wanted to deprive people of what they bought. The shear fact is that the FBI and Apple was on the prowl in an investigation regarding the now defunct Vigotone label. When they heard that other dealers/shop owners were receiving letters from Apple that an investigation was underway, they had to disappear and cease all transactions. In fear that their customer lists were compromised by investigators they had to close up shop without any word to their customers. That is the truth. In fact "Kevin" took the liberty of resolving some customer orders via personal finances. Buying the boots from someone else and sending his customers their order since his main supplier was underground. But some people were simply left out in the cold. But only less than 6 people never got their orders. The truth.

As for "paprbkwtr" taking the name of an old email address, that is actually the truth. They allowed him to use it to ward some investigators emails if they tried to bait anyone they thought was associated with offers to buy boots. He would simply tell them he had no idea what they were talking about. Just another way of distracting the investigation into Vigitone whom Mr. Halsey was closely associated with. That is why "paprbkwrtr" had some inside information as to the details of them ending their business.

You may ask "how do I know all of this so intimately?". Well, I am "Kevin's" roomate at this time and he has told me everything in great detail over the course of our becoming friends. That's how. I just wanted to clear the air about it all finally.

So put to bed all this junk about Fabadelic. It's 4 years old and "Kevin" is no longer in the CD boot business. Mr. Halsey however is back in the DVD boot business under the name "Picture Perfect".

Falcon · Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Posts: 6

Can't say I'm convinced. But one point I want to pick up on:

"But only less than 6 people never got their orders. The truth."

Let's start a count then.

I'm one.

Fabadelic may be old news but these 'people' keep dragging it up to defend them.

rabbisaul · Joined: 30 May 2002 Posts: 152

songsmith664 and paprbkwrtr are indeed Kevin Garvey.
Avoid at all costs!

nyjoe · Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2005 9:18 pm Post subject:

hi all,
i bought a few vhs's from this guy a couple of years ago.they were all very good & i recieved every order i put in.i have heard about him after i bought from him.not sticking up for him , just never taken by him either.happy new years to all. joe
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